Curse

evil joo · May 09, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24

thumbs up to Anet for rewarding skins.

Yichi · May 09, 2007, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Wow have you people honestly listened to yourself in this thread?

Look heres the deal. you get reward points based on your positioning in the AT's. Any monkey with a brain can figure this out. its based just like the points system in say nascar, baseball's win loss ratio, etc.... The better you do, the more points you get. simple. It will take a vast amount of points to be able to unlock anything, so not only do you have to grind it and farm it like a PVE player would do to get a certain weapon to sell, YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE GOOD AND WIN to at least place high enough to recieve rewards points. Seriously... its not like someone is going to have a PVP only char, go win 5 matches in RA and be like "OMG!!!! I GETZ A ELEMENTAL SWERD!!!!!!1" I love how everyone thinks that its only going to take an hour or so to be able to unlock everything. Ill remind you again, go to the tournament guy in your own guildhall. No where does it say you use faction to unlock any of this. It says reward points. and how do you recieve reward points? You compete in the At's and it is then based on your placement in said tournaments. Simple. So no your PVP player cant just go and get your precious sword in a matter of minutes, where u have to spend a day or two.... Get that thought out of your head.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

And once again, PvE is stuffed into the dirt so that ANET's pet PvPers are happy.

It used to be common knowledge that PvE gets nice skinned items, PvP gets titles and fast character customization... so now PvP gets nice skinned items as well? What does ANET want us to do, delete all our PvE characters?

As many have said before, the rift between PvE and PvP is widening. PvP gets all the good benefits from PvE, and PvE is left out again. What's ANET going to do next, delete all Role-Playing characters and delete all accounts that don't play HA/GvG so that we have to play PvP?

Look at it this way... you have the "whiny PvE scrubs" and the snobbish PvP elitists at war again. Reminds me very much of that story about the ugly dog and the beautiful dog who always fight... the winner is the one the master feeds.

Seems very much that PvE is the ugly dog and as you can see, they are getting screwed over. Sure, we've gotten Hard Mode... but if you sniff around you will see that it's only harder and there aren't really any more drops. Just a few golds on one rich, lucky player (probably a PvP snob) and the rest don't get bull.

Also ATS seems like only a no-lifer PvP elitist can use it. You need to log on at the right time, with the right build, or you fail. How's that for a guild member getting kicked cause he has a life?

I am a hardcore PvE player who just dabbles in Aspenwood and AB every nøw and then. All my character slots hold PvE characters. My sin with her Shiro's Blades can demolish an unaware elementalist just as well as you PvP characters. The only difference between her and that PvP sin, is her armor and weapon skins (celestial daggers) And now PvPers will get cool skins as well. Is it really fair to disregard the 5k I spent for the daggers, the 20k for my Shiro's Blades, the 30k+ I spent on my armor, the skills I bought, and all the runes I bought?

Fiery Celestial Daggers of Defense: 5k.
Skills: 10k.
Runes: A little over 4k.
Shiro's Blades: 20k.
My little armor combination, plus cost of materials: Around 30k.
Getting completely screwed over once again by ANET: Priceless.
There are some things that PvE can't grant you with. For everything else, there's PvP elitism

My cheesey MasterCard joke aside, back to the topic. I got my Icy Dragon Sword fair and square, and hell, I'm going to flaunt it wherever I PvP. It's something like "PvE pride" you could say? The only thing that will result from this:

Hardcore PvE'ers: "noooo pvp gets my l337 armor and weaps! noooo1!1!1!!1!1"
Casual PvE'ers: "So I farmed for two weeks for my armor and cool weapon, and these no-lived PvPers can win it this easily? AND I get a farming nerf?"
Casual PvP'ers: "I can't get into the tournament... I've got school/college/my job/the kids/RL stuff to take care of. Guess I'm screwed."
Hardcore PvP: (the only one who benefits) "WHOOPEEEEE YAAAA STUPID PVE SCRUBS NOW I CAN BE AS LEET AS YOU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ONLY I GET TO FLASH MY LEET TIGER! HAHAHA PVE NOOBS! THANK YOO ANET NOW LET ME GVG MORE! ITZ MY LIIIIFE!"

Assuming that each "category" makes up for 1/4 of the GW population (I know it isn't but I don't feel like surveying all the GW players to see, and of course there's people in between categories) It means that 3/4 of the population gets shafted so that only one is happy.

<begin sarcasm>For all you O-So-L337 PvPers on your gilded thrones, you can disregard this last part, which is merely the whining of a PvE scrub like me. <end sarcasm>

This ATS (All-Time Screwup?) is merely something where only the PvPers who spend every minute of their life on GW benefit, hidden behind a façade that says "now everyone can participate!"

But it has not come out yet... I will wait and watch the uproar that occurs when it does.

You sir have to be about the biggest JACKASS i have ever seen to reply to a PVP post. Im ever so glad we have your expert opinion with such misguided facts so that you of all people can set the record straight for us.

Look its as simple as this. PVE is in no way screwed over. PVE still gets to keep all their fancy skins, some fancy weapons, hell even weapons that PVP players cant get. In no way is your PVE character screwed over. No one says you cant use it and that you shouldnt use it. You put the time and effort into making your character your own. so by all means use it and enjoy it. A lot of PVP players made PVE characters for that same reason and also you used to be able to swap armor in PVP, so it was a dual purpose... but you think there wont be PVE chars used in PVP because people still like their characters? YOURE DEAD WRONG!!!! Also if you think that because a PVP char has the same skin as your PVE char, that now your PVE char is useless, Again YOURE DEAD WRONG!!!! I'm sorry to have burst your bubble... but im sure that you arent the only one running around with an assassin that has celestial daggers, skills, runes, and 15k armor... its been done before, so does that mean your pve character is now useless because somewhere in the 3+ million copies of Guildwars, someone might have a sin that looks like yours?

You say that PVE constantly gets the shaft to appease the PVP crowd.... yes because PVE gets so little and nothing has ever been done for PVE at all. The only thing 90% of the PVe community bitches about is the skill nerfs/buffs that we the PVP community get to help maintain balance. This game is supposed to be about skill, but thats kinda flawed when you have certian builds that can come up and press 1,2,3,2,3,2,3 and win.... how is that skill? so therefore ANET decided to balance said skill or game mechanics so that this type of build isnt as viable anymore... I can understand PVE farming builds get hurt by this. I understand, because PVP builds that are viable and have nothing to do with said overpowered build can be affected by this also... but that part is never mentioned because its construed as the PVP community bitching too much. We just kinda suck it up for the greater good... so besides trying to maintain a balanced game for all to enjoy, what has ever taken precidence over PVE in this game as far as PVP goes?

Look im ending this post with this. Instead of just randomly flaming things that we know nothing about, try gathering some information and using your head, instead of spewing some random garbage and getting a 7 page long thread about nothing of any importance.

Retribution X · May 09, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

Such a sad day when people are bickering about ingame aesthetics...
"Oh no! Mommy, Timmy who doesn't play in the sandbox with me is gettting the spiderman T-shirt I have. Why can he get it when he doesn't play in the box with me?"

Because the only way to get the T-shirt should be by digging for one in the sandbox.

They get elite rare skins, I can only dream of getting. They get rare mini's I could only dream of getting. And now they get everything I get, at a much cheaper price? What the hell kind of fairness is that?

They get everything I get, and more... Wow. They can get a leet skin within a few hours, when it takes a PvE player weeks to get one! Same with armor!

And they expect me to be happy... Next thing you know, FoW armor we be available there...

Now if only PvE chars could use what was bought there, there'd be less whining...

Theus · May 09, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

Because the only way to get the T-shirt should be by digging for one in the sandbox.

They get elite rare skins, I can only dream of getting. They get rare mini's I could only dream of getting. And now they get everything I get, at a much cheaper price? What the hell kind of fairness is that?

They get everything I get, and more... Wow. They can get a leet skin within a few hours, when it takes a PvE player weeks to get one! Same with armor!

And they expect me to be happy... Next thing you know, FoW armor we be available there...

Now if only PvE chars could use what was bought there, there'd be less whining...

So,in other words,You're crying because your eletronic penis has been cut off?

Boo Freakin' Hoo.

Why don't you quit being a PvE scrub and actually play both modes?You know?Like a REAL Guild Wars player?

Bryant Again · May 09, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Theus

So,in other words,You're crying because your eletronic penis has been cut off?

Boo Freakin' Hoo.

Why don't you quit being a PvE scrub and actually play both modes?You know?Like a REAL Guild Wars player?

Like I said to you before, it's not about a bigger e-peen. I already stated that titles and emotes are the major flaunting factor.

It's about the uniquity you earn by making a PvE character. Now PvP can have the same thing. We'll be indifferent.

evil joo · May 09, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

You sir have to be about the biggest JACKASS i have ever seen to reply to a PVP post. Im ever so glad we have your expert opinion with such misguided facts so that you of all people can set the record straight for us.

ROFLZ @ pwnage

You sir, have my respects!

/salute

Theus · May 09, 2007, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Like I said to you before, it's not about a bigger e-peen. I already stated that titles and emotes are the major flaunting factor.

It's about the uniquity you earn by making a PvE character. Now PvP can have the same thing. We'll be indifferent.

And your point is...what exactly?

*Gasp*

WE'LL BE INDIFFERENT!?ONOES!TEH HORROR!TEH HORROR!BOYCOTT THE GAME!BOYCOTT THE GAME!!!

OMFGANETURLIEKSOGHEYIRTEHQUITURGEAMFGT!

Big deal.If you're losing sleep over someone having the same Armor/Weapons as you,you really have to look into getting a life.

Yichi · May 09, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Like I said to you before, it's not about a bigger e-peen. I already stated that titles and emotes are the major flaunting factor.

It's about the uniquity you earn by making a PvE character. Now PvP can have the same thing. We'll be indifferent.

So explain to me how this is any different than another PVE player having your same dye, armor, weapon, hair, and face combo.... only you farmed yours, and he bought his with money he already has....

Based on the logic ive read from this thread, the guy who bought his doesn't deserve it right? Also since he looks like you he has to delete his char because you had yours first and you can have the only one with those items and looks...

Sir Skullcrasher · May 09, 2007, 07:12 PM // 19:12

I thought it's a good thing to reward both PvP and PvE side regardless what our preference are!!

lyra_song · May 09, 2007, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Theus

And your point is...what exactly?

*Gasp*

WE'LL BE INDIFFERENT!?ONOES!TEH HORROR!TEH HORROR!BOYCOTT THE GAME!BOYCOTT THE GAME!!!

OMFGANETURLIEKSOGHEYIRTEHQUITURGEAMFGT!

Big deal.If you're losing sleep over someone having the same Armor/Weapons as you,you really have to look into getting a life.

The point is this.

In a PvP environment, with UAX, PvP has readily access to more skills, more weapon mods, more runes and armor mods than a PVE character who is stuck with their primary and has to buy runes, armor and weapon mods.

The PVE player sacrifices flexibility for vanity.

Before, you could say "Sure my character isn't as powerful, but at least i got pretty equipment".

Series · May 09, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

For anybody who says "Cry more" or "Stop whining", I would simply like to point out that this change could be said to have been brought about because of the "whining" of PvP players who wanted prettier swords. Funny how you denounce whining when it works against you, yet use the tactic yourself when it works for you. Pretty hypocritical...

Yichi · May 09, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

The point is this.

In a PvP environment, with UAX, PvP has readily access to more skills, more weapon mods, more runes and armor mods than a PVE character who is stuck with their primary.

The PVE player sacrifices flexibility for vanity.

And a PVP player sacrafices the full content that they paid for when buying the game. Besides, ANET has already said that the Design-A-Weapon contest winners would be implimented into the game at some point. There are countless skins that have been chosen to be implimented into the game, yet we havent seen them. who says that a few of these wont be added to keep the super rare PVE skins their rarity, and give pvp players a little more to look at than a 5" long sword, and a huge square shield thats almost as tall as my character.

Evilsod · May 09, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by Selket

If you're only playing PvE, why would you waste money on runes, you don't need them vs monsters.

PvE costs - max armor + skills (if you have a spiritbinder as a caster) otherwise you can grab any weapon and go.

I think you deserve an award for that post.

Its actually the dumbest, most unintelligible piece of shit i've ever read on this forum.

Oh and you have practically just shot the entire arguement about this from here on out in the foot. If PvP just requires max items to do well, they don't need to skins. They should settle with whatever they get, its max, its perfect, thats it.

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so does that mean your pve character is now useless because somewhere in the 3+ million copies of Guildwars, someone might have a sin that looks like yours?

Get your head out of your arse and try to understand whats been said. I haven't read a single thing saying 'PvE chars are useless now', except maybe from those who use PvE chars to play PvP. The problem is instantly available, re-moddable rare skins at the touch of a button at any time you desire in an outpost. PvE have to put effort in to attain them once, then put some more in when they want a 3 others with varying stats for all purposes. PvP is a 1 time effort, it's like saying that because you've made the effort in life to be able to afford a good char, that you should suddenly be allowed 5 of them with slightly different specs to satisfy your every need.

Ec]-[oMaN · May 09, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

Because the only way to get the T-shirt should be by digging for one in the sandbox.

HHmm I guess you are forgetting that building a castle in the sandbox<building one IRL.
You people still have no idea;
what AT's are
how they work
what's involved to gain RP
what a time sink they are
how borked it is

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

They get elite rare skins, I can only dream of getting. They get rare mini's I could only dream of getting. And now they get everything I get, at a much cheaper price? What the hell kind of fairness is that?

Let's change this to
"They CAN get MAYBE Elite rare skins in their current gameplay choice which they favour" Just like YOU CAN get Elite rare skins in your game mode. Cheaper price? sry nor you or I know how much the costs will be. Knowing it's PVP, can you say "steep as ....!"

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

They get everything I get, and more... Wow. They can get a leet skin within a few hours, when it takes a PvE player weeks to get one! Same with armor!

blablabla read my above statement.

Again why do you PVE'ers enjoy PVE? From this thread it seems that most of you THINK you should be considered leet sauce because of the clothes you wear.
Many PVP'ers are considered good because of how well they play, and other PVP'ers take notice by a players name or what guild they are in, not by the clothes they bring to battle.
PVE'ers in their game mode which they should enjoy for what it is, are rewarded with time spent, which then can be used to purchase rewards such as your goldly looking items. PVP'ers are now being given a reward in their game mode of choice that they can use from their spent time+skill. So again what's this big freaken fuss about...

Yichi · May 09, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Series

For anybody who says "Cry more" or "Stop whining", I would simply like to point out that this change could be said to have been brought about because of the "whining" of PvP players who wanted prettier swords. Funny how you denounce whining when it works against you, yet use the tactic yourself when it works for you. Pretty hypocritical...

The pvp players didnt whine about it. The pvp players asked and came up with different suggestions to be able to spend balthasar faction after we had UAX on our accounts. Arena Net decided to add this option to PVP players as a reward for the AT's because , well lets face it, they cant give out cash prizes every day to the winners of that day, so they had to reward the participants somehow... Besides go look through all the threads posted on different forums and tell me the number of threads that come up about auction houses, armors, farming, bots, hard mode, stupid suggestions for GW2, rumors for GW:EN and GW2 that make no sense and based on no fact, random bullshit about conspiracy theories, or that there isnt another pve event soon.... and then tell me that PVP players do nothing but whine....

Yes we have threads of our own before you even suggest that... our threads deal with a broken or serious problem with our community, just as yours might with the PVe community. all im saying is that if you add up the number of PVE whine fests to the number of PVP whine fests, there is already a clear winner.... and it isnt PVP.

pigdestroyer · May 09, 2007, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

The point is this.

In a PvP environment, with UAX, PvP has readily access to more skills, more weapon mods, more runes and armor mods than a PVE character who is stuck with their primary and has to buy runes, armor and weapon mods.

The PVE player sacrifices flexibility for vanity.

Before, you could say "Sure my character isn't as powerful, but at least i got pretty equipment".

I thought pve was about doing missions, beating bosses and enjoying the storyline/lore not about weapon skins. No pvp character has access to any of those.

and seriously just read mistressyichi post. Thread over.

Yichi · May 09, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Get your head out of your arse and try to understand whats been said. I haven't read a single thing saying 'PvE chars are useless now', except maybe from those who use PvE chars to play PvP. The problem is instantly available, re-moddable rare skins at the touch of a button at any time you desire in an outpost. PvE have to put effort in to attain them once, then put some more in when they want a 3 others with varying stats for all purposes. PvP is a 1 time effort, it's like saying that because you've made the effort in life to be able to afford a good char, that you should suddenly be allowed 5 of them with slightly different specs to satisfy your every need.

No get yours out of your ass. Had you even bothered to read what i posted, it wasnt directed at PVE chars in general, it was directed to that one guys post about HIS sin. So before you try to flame me, please read and comprehend next time instead of taking snips from others comments just to boost your post count.

Also, there are already max weapons and mods available... so what its a different skin that might be a mid level or rare skin in pve? Your argument here is that since u can readily make it, that it has a purpose outside of that area.... You cant just make one and sell it. You cant make one and salvage the mods off it. A pvp player isn't going to get rich off of this. So what youre saying is that the basis on which PVP only characters were created, should now go to where everytime i want to use something for a PVP only character, i should go unlock it all over again? then whats the point of having a PVP only character.

Retribution X · May 09, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

Let's change this to
"They CAN get MAYBE Elite rare skins in their current gameplay choice which they favour" Just like YOU CAN get Elite rare skins in your game mode. Cheaper price? sry nor you or I know how much the costs will be. Knowing it's PVP, can you say "steep as ....!"

blablabla read my above statement.

Again why do you PVE'ers enjoy PVE? From this thread it seems that most of you THINK you should be considered leet sauce because of the clothes you wear.
Many PVP'ers are considered good because of how well they play, and other PVP'ers take notice by a players name or what guild they are in, not by the clothes they bring to battle.
PVE'ers in their game mode which they should enjoy for what it is, are rewarded with time spent, which then can be used to purchase rewards such as your goldly looking items. PVP'ers are now being given a reward in their game mode of choice that they can use from their spent time+skill. So again what's this big freaken fuss about...

I spend a few hundred hours farming for a 15>50 req 8 sephis axe. it sells for around 500k.

I'd wager a guess, it's not that hard to get this skin in PvP. I'd also wager a guess, that when this gets implemented, the only "Elite Skins" PvE'rs will have is Unique greens.

And what the hell do you know about why I PvE? I PvE to get rare, super cool items that nobody else has that they all want. But with this, now everyone and their grandmother will have a brute, or a crystaline, or an elemental sword...

I don't think I should be considered "leet sauce" because I wear 15k armor. I think PvE should be the only ones to have access to it though.

How would you feel if all us PvE'rs got rank/faction 10 times faster than you? I'd bet you'd be pissed.

How about another analogy. You operate in store A because of item X. Store B gets item X and sells it for half the price, but they have their own currency, and no way to exchange your currency into that currency. Wouldn't you protest too?

SirJackassIII · May 09, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

You say that PVE constantly gets the shaft to appease the PVP crowd.... yes because PVE gets so little and nothing has ever been done for PVE at all. The only thing 90% of the PVe community bitches about is the skill nerfs/buffs that we the PVP community get to help maintain balance. This game is supposed to be about skill, but thats kinda flawed when you have certian builds that can come up and press 1,2,3,2,3,2,3 and win.... how is that skill? so therefore ANET decided to balance said skill or game mechanics so that this type of build isnt as viable anymore... I can understand PVE farming builds get hurt by this. I understand, because PVP builds that are viable and have nothing to do with said overpowered build can be affected by this also... but that part is never mentioned because its construed as the PVP community bitching too much. We just kinda suck it up for the greater good... so besides trying to maintain a balanced game for all to enjoy, what has ever taken precidence over PVE in this game as far as PVP goes?

Look im ending this post with this. Instead of just randomly flaming things that we know nothing about, try gathering some information and using your head, instead of spewing some random garbage and getting a 7 page long thread about nothing of any importance.

Gather information on the total amount of skills ever nerfed for PvE. I'll give you a hint, it's a total of 2 (!!!), whereas the main skill for a crapload of farmbuilds (PS) remains unnerfed due to protest from PvP'ers saying it'd break the skill. Every suggestion ever made about a possible change for PS has been shot down by PvP'ers. There is no balance in PvE. Anet is even breaking it themselves by adding skills like LB Gaze and SSRS, which are completely broken, AND they're adding some more. Every balance made has been for PvP, and will always be for PvP. The entire game revolves around the balance needed for PvP, from levels to weapon damage.

fb2000 · May 09, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

well, the "PvP skins" could be just that -> say a PvP Sword with a Crystalline skin, still blue, still PvP Sword in the name, just the "skin" being that of a crystalline.. am I the only one that reads the description like this?

they didnt say pvp items or pve items skins or soemthing, could be a mistake on their part tho.

anyway, cool down a bit and lets see. if its like I suppose it could be, most of your issues will work out just ok